What Amp would you buy? I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. 30-50W should be enough right?

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It would depend on the type of music and the loudness of the band and so forth. But probably a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, used could be had for that amount. New, I guess a Fender Blues Jr. But an all tube Vox, if you could find one for $500 would be a good choice too. (They usually go for more, I believe). If you are into Marshall sound, a Marshall JCM800 combo would be nice, but again, I think its above the $500. I’d stay away from anything not all tube (meaning it has power tubes and preamp tubes). Look on Ebay, there are LOTS.

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> It would depend on the type of music and the loudness of the band and > so forth. But probably a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, used could be had for > that amount. New, I guess a Fender Blues Jr. > But an all tube Vox, if you could find one for $500 would be a good > choice too. (They usually go for more, I believe). > If you are into Marshall sound, a Marshall JCM800 combo would be nice, > but again, I think its above the $500. > I’d stay away from anything not all tube (meaning it has power tubes > and preamp tubes). > Look on Ebay, there are LOTS.

I’m into rock n roll / retro vintage style. Doing a lot of Beatles / Doors / Floyd / Coldplay style. I use a Parker PM-20 (2 hum) and a digitech RP200 FX pedal as of now. Thanks for the reply.

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If you can extend your budget to $599, and you can buy the Vox AC-15 reissue. Its not a handwired clone of the old days or anything, but it is a GREAT sounding amp with that Vox mojo for sure. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What Amp would you buy? > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > 30-50W should be enough right?

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> If you can extend your budget to $599, and you can buy the Vox AC-15 > reissue. Its not a handwired clone of the old days or anything, but it > is a GREAT sounding amp with that Vox mojo for sure. > What Amp would you buy? > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > 30-50W should be enough right?

But is 15W enough for shows? I’m doing small gigs for now. And I play with a drummer/bassist /guitarist so I don’t want to be overpowered.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you can extend your budget to $599, and you can buy the Vox AC-15 > reissue. Its not a handwired clone of the old days or anything, but it > is a GREAT sounding amp with that Vox mojo for sure. > > What Amp would you buy? > > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > > 30-50W should be enough right? > But is 15W enough for shows? I’m doing small gigs for now. And I play > with a drummer/bassist /guitarist so I don’t want to be overpowered.

I just found this http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AC30CC1 A bit more than 500, but if the price drop is true, that’s a bargain.

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well you wont get a real vox for $500 the real vox was made in england and is a tube amp. you dont want a fake vox made in sepulvita california cause its just a junkie amp with a vox nameplate, you dont want a reissue vox cause it dont sound like a real one. and it certainly ain’t made like a real one. but if you can get a real made in england vox, and have it reworked, you will have a jem. the real vox amps are the most killer sounding amps. the real vox amps sound sweet and smooth, AC 30, 60, 100, 120 are what you should look for. the AC 120 is my favorite, and can stand with a marshall super lead anytime. identify this amp by the first preamp tube its 6C5. the output is 4 X EL34. I think this is the best designed best sounding guitar amp ever made. and let me tell ya ive tried them ALL. these amps sing like the angles in heaven.

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> What Amp would you buy? > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > 30-50W should be enough right?

I’d probably keep saving until I had $700 to $1,000 or so for a used Mesa Mark combo, a used single channel all tube Marshall combo, a silver face Super Reverb or Deluxe Reverb, or a new Vox CC series (but read about circuit board design issues).  In the mean time, I’d check local craigslist at least twice a day for something that looked interesting at the $500 level.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>If you can extend your budget to $599, and you can buy the Vox AC-15 >>reissue. Its not a handwired clone of the old days or anything, but it >>is a GREAT sounding amp with that Vox mojo for sure. >>>What Amp would you buy? >>>I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know >>>much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some >>>Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. >>>30-50W should be enough right? >But is 15W enough for shows? I’m doing small gigs for now. And I play >with a drummer/bassist /guitarist so I don’t want to be overpowered. > I just found this http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AC30CC1 > A bit more than 500, but if the price drop is true, that’s a bargain.

THAT is not a bad deal!  But do read up on the "odd tones" that some people complain about.  Possibly bad board layout.  But other guys will say that all Voxes suffer from oddities like this. I’d want to hear it with a single 12 before buying.  And I’d remember that this is a Chinese amp, with a possible board layout issue.  Still, looks like a contender to me, if it’s gotta be a new amp.

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>But is 15W enough for shows? I’m doing small gigs for now. And I play >with a drummer/bassist /guitarist so I don’t want to be overpowered.

  15 watts is plenty enough for "shows,"  it’s what I use.  No matter what the venue I put it on an amp stand.   For the occasional large hall the amp becomes my stage monitor and the sound system does the rest.  My 15 watt amp easily keeps up with the stage level of three and four piece (meaning loud!) horn sections. Tejas Pedro

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I think you’ll find that 15 watts is really loud, HOWever, that deal on the AC30 is very good. If you can afford $700, go for it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > If you can extend your budget to $599, and you can buy the Vox AC-15 > reissue. Its not a handwired clone of the old days or anything, but it > is a GREAT sounding amp with that Vox mojo for sure. > What Amp would you buy? > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > 30-50W should be enough right?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I think you’ll find that 15 watts is really loud, HOWever, that deal on > the AC30 is very good. If you can afford $700, go for it. > If you can extend your budget to $599, and you can buy the Vox AC-15 > reissue. Its not a handwired clone of the old days or anything, but it > is a GREAT sounding amp with that Vox mojo for sure. >> What Amp would you buy? >> I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know >> much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some >> Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. >> 30-50W should be enough right?

This is so confusing. Old vox, new vox. I’d like to find a used one from england, but I don’t know where to search for. I live in Canada, and I tried www.lespuces.com montreal.kijiji.ca ebay.ca Maybe I could find one in a pawn shop…

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>This is so confusing. Old vox, new vox. I’d like to find a used one >from england, but I don’t know where to search for. I live in Canada, >and I tried

In all reality, one cannot mistake today’s VOX for OldFartDays <.com> era of Vox.  Today’s VOX is a better designed (due to the Korg tie) type of 2006 designed amp.  But, they also have the advantage of ties with Marshall (AKA: KORG), so the number of people involved with VOX have the know how of Marshall to make VOX better then Crate.  No Brainer. You can find old US/Thomas VOX that has NO more ties to UK VOX then today’s AC-15 has to the OLD FART AC-15, that only needed a ‘tone’ switch, but has the sweetest Tremolo, that to GET that AWESOME tremolo, it took 3 tubes, and power amp design changes.. …The 60’s AC30’s adapted the same tremolo design, but for less money, and less sound quality.  Those who love an AC30 may not of (since so few survived) played the AC100 MKI which was an 4-EL34’s, no NFB, Cath bias, and fucking burn’t reality. An AC30 on both ACID and ROIDS.  For about 30 mins.  Then smoke because of cheap parts, small cab, no air, etc.  Like the Univox 1501..Zep’s bass player: "..great 4 about 10 mins, then get the 360’s.." I own both, 1 with a dead PT.  But when the AC100 worked, it drove 2-4-12"  with 80-watts of REAL cath/biased Class-A1 power.  THAT amp was what the Beatles toured with, till amp died..then Thomas Organ.. ..you can guess the rest.. UK Vox has some REAL AWESOME designed SS amps that sound nothing like the US/Thomas amps.  Few survive..  Vox made SS/Tube HYBRIDS (SS front end, 4-KT88 output stage) where, if you find the schematics (I have them…yuk yuk yuk) U hare an Harvard Masters on paper..a ‘Vincent’.. The Vox Book will explain..   At one time, one could of bought the rights to VOX for $50k.  Hiwatt went for about $500k. Gibson was ‘refused’ for millions.  Wanna buy Plush? HOW much $$$ is the ransom for Sunn..?? Korg has done well with Vox, mainly cause they know the shit, and have close ties with Marshall.  Not like SLM rape’g Ampeg.  Criminal.. JJTj I am frolicsome, I am easy, Good tempered and free, And I don’t give a single pin’ me boys What the world thinks of me.

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> >This is so confusing. Old vox, new vox. I’d like to find a used one >from england, but I don’t know where to search for. I live in Canada, >and I tried

you need clairification real vox amps were made in england you should buy these, although they are hard to find, keep looking the crap vox was made in california this includes the solid state/tube hybrids. these amps are junk, dont buy them. the new vox only has the name these are nothing like the real ones although the cabinet is made to look the same, its not the same amp. dont buy these either. the only real vox is a made in england vox AC 30,60,100,120 these amps kick ass. keep looking… mesa boogie amps are a waste of money. I would never buy one. noisy, unreliable, they dont last. are we clear now?

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no..I answered to the post, but let’s go on: > >This is so confusing. Old vox, new vox. I’d like to find a used one > >from england, but I don’t know where to search for. I live in Canada, > >and I tried

Spend $30 bucks and buy the Vox Story, get religion. Really, it’s so easy. Doyle’s book on Marshall, n the Ampeg book. MoJo History is so easy to learn, do it or be sold too…to…again.. >you need clairification >real vox amps were made in england >you should buy these, although they >are hard to find, keep looking

Well, the 1st Vox was UK, but yes, hunt them out 4 $$$$$ >the crap vox was made in california >this includes the solid state/tube >hybrids. these amps are junk, dont >buy them.

I never said such spew, and the person who wrote it has no clue. The T/Organ stuff, for what it was made to do, fuckin’ kicked ass on more hard luck tours then said poster watch’s UTube over. Times were hard then, no Anvil cases, no roadies, 7 bands, 1 bus. Ask T/Petty why he loved the SS/Thomas Organ Vox.  It was NEVER ment to be a clone of the UK stuff, even the SS UK stuff, which is a shame, cause the SS UK stuff was 100000 times what US Vox was ment to be. All that ‘Tone-X’ bass coil tone’d stuff, was UK.  THINK !!  Thomas Organ did NOT need any clues how to build tone circuits.  THEY knew that Vox UK had all the bells ready to ring.  And adapted it to SS..the best they could. >the new vox only has the name >these are nothing like the real ones >although the cabinet is made to look >the same, its not the same amp. >dont buy these either.

IF you are talking about 2006/7 ‘VOX’, yes.  In the past, said truth was done in less degrees.  In fact, when I worked for Pr1mo, the UK VOX ‘Concert’ line was made to NOT look like old Vox, and the dreaded ‘Venue’ line (although a great SS design) was no MoJo Vox. >the only real vox is a made in >england vox AC 30,60,100,120 >these amps kick ass. keep looking…

You ever play a AC120?  I have one, dead in cab now, but it’s a killer Twin nuker’.  That ‘DIST’ control involves the power amp, and final after EQ clipping that is FRAGILE, but fuck’in killer. Play a V125?  Great cab, hell to the bells power. >mesa boogie amps are a waste of >money. I would never buy one. >noisy, unreliable, they dont last.

Well, ya ever play a MkIIB ?  With that stupid noisy FETRON 1st stage, and TCR530?? preamp boinkers?  GREAT amp. I know someone who has one, stock RCA 6L6’s, and is the loudest 1-12" I ever heard in my life.  JBL Orange D120f. >are we clear now?

Well, I have been clear since Mesa sent me the original MkIIb <now yellow-ing> schematic.  I also know not to speak for others when you are not them, and have no clue. JJTj I have always lived in a mansion On the other side of the moon. …where… I always keep a unicorn Cause I never sing out of tune. ..well… I could tell you that the grass ….is really greener… On the other side of the hill, But I can’t communicate with you And I guess I never will.

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I have a Marshall DSL 401 that’s gonna be for sale soon. Go for a bit more than $500 probably but not a whole lot more. It’s been a great amp gigged with it lots. Highly recommend  one of those. Only reason I’m selling is I just got a Koch and don’t need another combo. 40 watts, lots of power, pretty good clean tone, a great dirt sounds. Plugged in to a cab, it get’s really good. Guitpicker,

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What Amp would you buy? > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > 30-50W should be enough right?

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$500 ain’t gonna buy you Vintage Vox easy, these days, UK or US (USUK?), nor will it buy you AC30-land. At that price point, buy whatever amp sounds good and forget MoJo. JJTj

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > If you can extend your budget to $599, and you can buy the Vox AC-15 > > reissue. Its not a handwired clone of the old days or anything, but it > > is a GREAT sounding amp with that Vox mojo for sure. > > > What Amp would you buy? > > > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > > > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > > > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > > > 30-50W should be enough right? > But is 15W enough for shows? I’m doing small gigs for now. And I play > with a drummer/bassist /guitarist so I don’t want to be overpowered. >I just found this http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AC30CC1 >A bit more than 500, but if the price drop is true, that’s a bargain.

I’d consider this: http://www.zzounds.com/item–TCHTM60 or this: http://www.zzounds.com/item–FEN0213202000 Both a little extra but…… If you want tube but want to still save money you could try this but it is Chinese: http://www.zzounds.com/item–PEVVKING112 I think that is one of the least expensive tube amps out there. Versatile (so they say) but it has a printed board. Could be okay, could be trouble. A used Classic 30 should be okay too. My son has one and has no issues with it. I also bought a used Fender Blues Jr for about $300 cdn It’s a good amp, especially with an overdrive pedal in front of it. — Bob Mann 85 K100RS (traded for…) 04 FXD Stage 1(traded for…) 04 FLHTCUI 95" Stage 3

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> What Amp would you buy? > I’m looking for VOX amps, but I’m not an amp freak, so I don’t know > much except the other amps than AC-30. I also checked out some > Marshall. I’d like a good output for gigs/shows and preferably tube. > 30-50W should be enough right?

Sad assed premise question.  ;-)

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> JJTj

Joey T.

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>mesa boogie amps are a waste of >money. I would never buy one. >noisy, unreliable, they dont last.

  Rumor has it that soundwise Mesa’s Lone Star Special is a very special amp, but only time can and will reveal the truth about its reliability.  Nonetheless next time I’m up in Austin if I can find one to try I probably will.   Have you played through a Lone Star Special?  Whaddaya think?  About how it sounds, that is.  Way too soon to know about reliability. Tejas Pedro

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> mesa boogie amps are a waste of > money. I would never buy one. > noisy, unreliable, they dont last. >   Rumor has it that soundwise Mesa’s Lone Star Special is a very > special amp, but only time can and will reveal the truth about its > reliability.  Nonetheless next time I’m up in Austin if I can find one > to try I probably will. >   Have you played through a Lone Star Special?  Whaddaya think?  About > how it sounds, that is.  Way too soon to know about reliability. > Tejas Pedro

Yes I have. It is incredibly versatile and sounds like the soul of Rock and roll. mvm

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Finally had to put the poor fella down, …AGA style Rt. Click. Create filter from Message

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> Finally had to put the poor fella down, …AGA style > Rt. Click. Create filter from Message

Yesserieeeebob. Trying to carry on a normal conversation and attempting to reason with that stinkin’ drunk horse’s ass is like pissing without unzipping and is a total waste of time. Just ignore the goober maroon.

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>> Finally had to put the poor fella down, …AGA style > Rt. Click. Create filter from Message > Yesserieeeebob. Trying to carry on a normal conversation > and attempting to reason with that stinkin’ drunk horse’s ass > is like pissing without unzipping and is a total waste of time. > Just ignore the goober maroon.

It’s amusing really Ed. Here’s a lonely guy just ranting in the middle of the night, post after post. Harmless. The only reason I canned him is that there’s too many in a sequence and not one _ever_ has to do with gear, how to play better, how to fix something mechanical, etc. Just some poor bastard typing away like a madman in defense of that which can only be defended with defective logic constructed of ignorance, a lack of education, blind bias and as philosopher Bertrand Russel put it: "…Conventional people are roused to fury by departures from convention, largely because they regard such departures as a criticism of themselves…". Over the years virtually any and every attempt I’ve ever made to post on gear, how to play better, how to fix something mechanical, etc. has met with stunned silence. They know it, you know it, I know it. Now that the entire neocon baby is getting thrown out with its excrement and the next two major national elections are set to end all that was the Hannity/Limbaugh/Bush crowd, expect more last min. straw grabs from the drowning Elenore Gtski’s* of AGA -in the middle of the night. mvm *….picks up the rice at a church where a wedding has been…

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>> Finally had to put the poor fella down, …AGA style > Rt. Click. Create filter from Message >Yesserieeeebob. Trying to carry on a normal conversation >and attempting to reason with that stinkin’ drunk horse’s ass >is like pissing without unzipping and is a total waste of time. >Just ignore the goober maroon.

Ed, exactly the same applies to the Sak you’ve just replied to (and all his socks), IMO. -Dave

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> I suck hard on this…-Dave

For Guitarists: Modal Playing Made Practical, by Marc Mulay We’re "beginning at the beginning" of the neck, first position, first note, 6th string, the note "F". In these diagrams, beginning with a blank space -sometimes two- is obviously where you would jump forward on a string a fret or two away from the nut, toward your bridge.   ILLUSTRATIVE KEY:   *  *  * = "1,3,5" As in, root, skip a fret hit, skip a fret hit.   * *  *  = "1,2,4" As in, fret, next fret hit, skip a fret hit.   *  * *  = "1,3,4" As in,  fret, skip a fret hit, next fret hit.    Major / "Ionian" ;   Start      |      |      1  3  5      6th "FAT"      1  3  5       2 3  5     <—NUT — BRIDGE       2 3  5         3  5 6         3  5 6    1st "THIN"     Now Dorian-       3  5 6       3  5  7       3  5  7       3  5  7          5 6  8          5 6  8   Gitcha some phrygian now baby!     5 6  8     5  7 8     5  7 8     5  7  9       6  8  10       6  8  10     Lydian:     6  8  10      7 8  10      7 8  10      7  9 10        8  10 11        8  10  12     Mixolydian:     8  10  12     8  10  12     8  10  12      9 10  12        10 11  13        10  12 13     Aeolian:     10  12 13     10  12 13     10  12  14     10  12  14       11   13  15         12 13  15     Finally, the 7th mode of the Major scale, Locrian:      12 13  15      12 13  15      12  14 15      12  14 15         13  15  17         13  15  17   Note- your first finger is now back on the ‘F’ note of the 1st string at the 13th fret. This all begins again with the Ionian scale at the 13th fret, just as was the case at the first fret;     13 15 17      6th "FAT"     13 15 17      1415 17    <—NUT — BRIDGE      1415 17        15 1718        15 1718   1st "THIN"   Notice that each modal form ends with a three note sequence on the 1st string which defines the exact same three notes of the 6th string beginning the next mode! This is central to seeing the bigger picture; how the modal forms all smoothly interlock to create a perfectly connected "treadmill" on the neck.   Next, how to link them up, hop around, where they fit into chords, and how they’re over-layed by every one of the five M/m Pentas and Blues grids.   As is the case with virtually every athletic sport, there’s *NO* way around proficiency with modal playing other than…repetition. Alternate picking: Starting with Ionian, walk the form at each position on the neck from the first to the 15th fret. AT EACH FRET, PLAY THE MODE IN REVERSE TOO. FORWARD, REVERSE. THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT FRET. Don’t start Dorian until you’ve "mastered" Ionian Same with Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, and Locrian. WHEN YOU HAVE DONE THIS, PAUSE, THEN STARTING WITH ‘F IONIAN’ RUN IT INTO G DORIAN—>A PHRYGIAN—>Bb LYDIAN to E Locrian a couple of times. Get each "mastered" before moving on to the next. You are building  a powerful foundation. THIS is training. Self-discipline. You’re getting all of this stuff under your fingers and deeply into muscle memory. Day after day, week after week, month after month. It’s the only way. Do it. Now Diatonic Theory is just taking a scale and building chords on top of each root note. The ‘F’ major scale is what we’ll look at(because we’ve laid out the whole modal/scale system from Fret 1, 6th string, note ‘F’ as an ‘agreed-upon’ begin with the beginning point, purely for logical flow illustrative purposes).     I       ii        iii         IV       V     vi        vii     F       Gm7       Am7        BbMaj7    C7    Dm7       Ebm7b5 The modes, Ionian-Locrian can just as easily be named 1-7. (I-vii). They line up perfectly with the sequential progression above and in every other key. Don’t ever ‘F-up’ by forgetting that there’s always   a 1/2 step hop between iii and IV.     Also, note- I, IV and V are always major, thus upper case for illustrative purposes.    ii, iii, vi, and sorta vii are all minor, thus lower case. The minor modes, Dorian, Phrgian and Aeolian, -alway fit over minor chords. The major modes, Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian -over the major chords. The Locrian was made for the half diminished or m7b5 chord. If you’re a rocker or bluzer, that ranks right up there with what’s a little toe for anyway? Shhhhhhhhwiiiingggggggg Where all of this work begins to turn to fun, and then payoff, is where you integrate the overlay of the modal system over pentatonic or blues boxes. Any/every player can find these, however for basic illustrative purposes, let’s say you’re playing ye old Blues Box #1 at the 5th fret: A. 5    8      .042 5 6 7 5   7 5   7 5    8 5    8      .010 Now, play the Dorian form _there_, starting of course at A, 6th  string, 5th fret. Voila. You’re locked in. Toward the bridge into phrygian or back toward the nut into Ionia, then Locrian…again, if you want to work this back toward the nut and forward, you’re in A Blues by playing your Locrian form starting at the 2nd Fret, F# 6th string and moving forward. As you internalize the whole modal system over time, you’ll get to the point you’ve probably been stuck at with pentatonic or blues boxes in that you’re probably comfortable jumping from "Blues Box 1" -say at the 5th fret(keyed off the 6th string), to say, "Blues Box 3" at the 10th fret. In this instance, the modal form equivalent would be to play that A Dorian form starting at A, 6th string, 5th fret, and leap up to the Mixolydian form at the 10th fret. It all starts to really "happen" for you as you think less and play more…timing, rhythm, dynamics like bends, hammer ons and pull offs in conjunction with the tone(s) YOUR ear digs make all this grunt work pay off with tons of extra colors and textures. The real key is grabbing phrases from each form and making them YOUR licks. Jam OWN it mvm www.geocities.com/mvm55555 P.S. If any of this seems ‘muddy’ to you, feel free to write me an observation, that’d be cool too. Thanks, Marc Peace Marc www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Finally had to put the poor fella down, …AGA style >> Rt. Click. Create filter from Message > Yesserieeeebob. Trying to carry on a normal conversation > and attempting to reason with that stinkin’ drunk horse’s ass > is like pissing without unzipping and is a total waste of time. > Just ignore the goober maroon. > Ed, exactly the same applies to the Sak you’ve > just replied to (and all his socks), IMO. > -Dave

Hmmm- Dave Curtis took objection to this; It’s amusing really Ed. Here’s a lonely guy just ranting in the middle of the night, post after post. Harmless. The only reason I canned him is that there’s too many in a sequence and not one _ever_ has to do with gear, how to play better, how to fix something mechanical, etc. Just some poor bastard typing away like a madman in defense of that which can only be defended with defective logic constructed of ignorance, a lack of education, blind bias and as philosopher Bertrand Russel put it: "…Conventional people are roused to fury by departures from convention, largely because they regard such departures as a criticism of themselves…". Over the years virtually any and every attempt I’ve ever made to post on gear, how to play better, how to fix something mechanical, etc. has met with stunned silence. They know it, you know it, I know it. Now that the entire neocon baby is getting thrown out with its excrement and the next two major national elections are set to end all that was the Hannity/Limbaugh/Bush crowd, expect more last min. straw grabs from the drowning Elenore Gtski’s* of AGA -in the middle of the night. mvm *….picks up the rice at a church where a wedding has been… Why? Say Dave- since you don’t know how to play an instrument at all, let alone well, I hope you’re a half-decent conventional wrench. Clearly- the neocon thing isn’t workin’ for ya.

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Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online?

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>Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online?

I think Boss builds something.  A few other companies have them. I adopted a Lord Valve design to make a box that switches between two effect loops.  That’s all mine does http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_bottom.jpg http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_insides.jpg http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_top.jpg Slips my mind what those resistors are, but you can look at the stuff on the disk on the disk LV sends with his tube or parts orders. That’s a Hammond 1590BB box, a Carling DPDT stomp switch, and Switchcraft jacks. You can do more complex things if you feel like wiring them up.  I was getting all sorts of suggestions from people about what I *could* do, but this is all I was looking for at the time I stuck it together. Pete

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Thanks for the reply, I’ll check that out. I found the Boss LS-2 but it seems to only support a/b. What I want is exactly this, but not so expensive ($225), and it doesn’t need the volume controls, just straight a-b-c-d. I could even live with it not being "noiseless" (though that would be nicer) Voodoo Lab Amp Selector 4-Way A/B Box         http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Voodoo-Lab-Amp-Selector?sku=15…         http://www.americanmusical.com/item–i-VOO-AS–brand-355.html What kind of parts would I need to build something like this? Is it possible with mechanical switches (ie not using relays or knowing electronics) ? Thanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online? > I think Boss builds something.  A few other companies have them. > I adopted a Lord Valve design to make a box that switches between two > effect loops.  That’s all mine does > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_bottom.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_insides.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_top.jpg > Slips my mind what those resistors are, but you can look at the stuff > on the disk on the disk LV sends with his tube or parts orders. > That’s a Hammond 1590BB box, a Carling DPDT stomp switch, and > Switchcraft jacks. > You can do more complex things if you feel like wiring them up.  I was > getting all sorts of suggestions from people about what I *could* do, > but this is all I was looking for at the time I stuck it together. > Pete

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check out www.lehle.com PMG schrieb: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online? > I think Boss builds something.  A few other companies have them. > I adopted a Lord Valve design to make a box that switches between two > effect loops.  That’s all mine does > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_bottom.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_insides.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_top.jpg > Slips my mind what those resistors are, but you can look at the stuff > on the disk on the disk LV sends with his tube or parts orders. > That’s a Hammond 1590BB box, a Carling DPDT stomp switch, and > Switchcraft jacks. > You can do more complex things if you feel like wiring them up.  I was > getting all sorts of suggestions from people about what I *could* do, > but this is all I was looking for at the time I stuck it together. > Pete

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online? > I think Boss builds something.  A few other companies have them. > I adopted a Lord Valve design to make a box that switches between two > effect loops.  That’s all mine does > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_bottom.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_insides.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_top.jpg > Slips my mind what those resistors are, (snip)

1Meg ohm. To prevent or limit pops upon switch transitions, these provide a constant ground reference as opposed to allowing open lines to float. OT, but since yer talking pedal builds, here’s a couple that I slapped together when I used to have more time: (fuzztone variants) http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/JRat/FZ1.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/JRat/FF3.jpg bk

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Thanks for the reply, I’ll check that out. >I found the Boss LS-2 but it seems to only support a/b. >What I want is exactly this, but not so expensive ($225), and it >doesn’t need the volume controls, just straight a-b-c-d. I could even >live with it not being "noiseless" (though that would be nicer) >Voodoo Lab Amp Selector 4-Way A/B Box >    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Voodoo-Lab-Amp-Selector?sku=15… >    http://www.americanmusical.com/item–i-VOO-AS–brand-355.html >What kind of parts would I need to build something like this? >Is it possible with mechanical switches (ie not using relays or knowing >electronics) ? >Thanks

You need to ask a stompbox expert how to do something like that.  I could probably figure out how to build something to do most of what the Voodoo switchbox does, but I’d have spend time designing it, and then test what I designed, so….  it ain’t gonna happen. The Voodoo box mentions "Silent switching" though, so that probably means that it’s using electronic switching.  It’s stomp switches probably only require a light touch to trip them, and you have to put you foot into a Carling switch to make it work. You might try asking at one of the AX84 forums http://www.ax84.com/ or maybe one of Aron’s Stompbox forums.  What I did didn’t really require much expertise at all.  Just a few good parts and the ability to solder relatively well. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online? > I think Boss builds something.  A few other companies have them. > I adopted a Lord Valve design to make a box that switches between two > effect loops.  That’s all mine does > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_bottom.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_insides.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_top.jpg > Slips my mind what those resistors are, but you can look at the stuff > on the disk on the disk LV sends with his tube or parts orders. > That’s a Hammond 1590BB box, a Carling DPDT stomp switch, and > Switchcraft jacks. > You can do more complex things if you feel like wiring them up.  I was > getting all sorts of suggestions from people about what I *could* do, > but this is all I was looking for at the time I stuck it together. > Pete

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> Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online?

Analog Mike (www.analogman.com/) will make you anything you like, to your specs. He made me a switch box and it’s great. If you email him, he’ll send you info on your choice of boxes, switches, prices…  everything you need to know. He does very good work and I highly recommend him.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Does anyone make a a/b/c/d switch box or have any plans for one online? > I think Boss builds something.  A few other companies have them. > I adopted a Lord Valve design to make a box that switches between two > effect loops.  That’s all mine does > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_bottom.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_insides.jpg > http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/looper_top.jpg > Slips my mind what those resistors are, (snip) >1Meg ohm. To prevent or limit >pops upon switch transitions, >these provide a constant ground >reference as opposed to allowing >open lines to float. >OT, but since yer talking pedal >builds, here’s a couple that I >slapped together when I used to >have more time: (fuzztone variants) >http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/JRat/FZ1.jpg >http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/JRat/FF3.jpg >bk

Looks good.  I’ve only done a couple pedal builds.  This is my second one, based on the Rangemaster circuit: http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/GAS_Range/GASrange_inside.jpg http://amplifyer.home.comcast.net/GAS_Range/RangeMstr_front.jpg Easiest thing to do was polish at the box a bit to give it that Uncle Martin’s space ship look. I’ll probably gut my Dunlop Fuzzface eventually and build something on a perfboard that’s more useful for that.

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"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past."  Richard Nixon, 1968

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> "Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used > so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this > sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, > then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new > leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past."  Richard > Nixon, 1968

Hmmm, History repeats!

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> "Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used > so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this > sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, > then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new > leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past."  Richard > Nixon, 1968

 I went to the Nixon museum north of Santa Clare last time  I was there on business. It is in the middle of a modern neighborhood  on a small piece of land that use to be his parent’s farm.  It was a Friday afternoon and the place was empty .. Kind of  indicates how Nixon ended his career .. all alone. There are  two lone grave sites out back where is is buried along with  his wife.

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>"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used >so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this >sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, >then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new >leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past."  Richard >Nixon, 1968

The old paranoid was right on at the time — but in Iraq, I’ve yet to see "all of this support" for the troops, who are *still* badly underequipped and undersupplied, not to mention being stuck in the middle of a civil war without having any idea of who the good guys are or, for that matter, even the slightest chance of improving the situation. The sad thing is, as bad as Vietnam was, success is even less likely in Iraq.   Meanwhile, Hezbollah and Hamas plague the Israelis and all Uncle Sam can do is keep supplying bombs — because the American military, bogged down and largely demoralized by/in Iraq, can no longer pose a credible threat on the ground. Great job, Mr. President!

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I am thinking – "what IS success?" How is that defined and by whom. http://www.pbs.org/hanoi/ You win wars through cultrual changes, not bombs Vietnam’s youth today – Members of Vietnam’s "New Generation" can be described by one word: driven. They sport the latest fashions, cruise the streets (QuickTime 1.33Mb) on motorbikes and chat on mobile phones. And, for better or worse, "MTV" now has faithful viewers in Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi. But this "New Generation" is faced with many dilemmas along the way. How do its members balance family traditions and duties with the pursuit of their own dreams and goals? Pham Ba Hung, a 24 year-old photographer and one of the "New Generation," grew up in the 1980’s when scarce food supplies were rationed. Now, foreign investment and relaxed governmental control have brought new opportunities. Hung’s views are indicative of those held by many his age. On the exciting changes: "(In the 80’s) people just talked about how to get enough food to eat and clothes to wear. But now people are talking about how to do business, how to build a nice house and things like that. Everything changed very fast." Goods weren’t the only thing to pour into Vietnam. Modern western culture was devoured right along with the bread, meat and milk that were suddenly so available. "Nguoi Dep" (meaning "Beautiful Person") is one of Vietnam’s many fashion magazines that young women study like a textbook. And rock ‘n roll has staked its claim on yet another population, as young men in karaoke bars sing along with anyone from John Lennon to Puff Daddy. On music: "We like rock, pop, even jazz and blues. After ‘86, the ‘modern’ western music came and everything changed. I love the Beatles. That’s the best band ever! And the music of Vietnam has also changed. In the past few years Vietnamese singers have become very good. Now people talk about a musical industry in Vietnam." Young people also enjoy more free time than their parents did. Cafes aren’t just a hangout, they’re a way of life. There are even a few discos in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City that attract the more daring crowd. On going out: "Almost every night we’ll call each other on our mobile phones and arrange to meet at a cafe or karaoke bar for a drink. I like to go to discos but not everyone feels comfortable with them or can afford them as they’re quite expensive. In the South they already know about the nightclub culture. In Hanoi it’s still fairly new and people are just starting to go to discos." The Generation Gap Unlike their parents who fear change, the youth demand it. They’re savvy and aggressive, handing out business cards like flyers. It’s a huge change from the past, when being an entrepreneur was frowned upon by the government. With 80% of the population under 40, it’s clear that "change" is not a question of if, but when. On the Generation Gap: "Power is slowly changing hands because my generation understands things that my parents’ generation didn’t have the chance to. Before, there was no choice for information and no one had a chance to be different or change. Now we have magazines, television and the Internet and we can choose what information we want. We’re allowed to be different from each other and we’re more open."

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> Hmmm, > History repeats!

Not exactly Tony, America has traditionally gone to war with a Democrat in the White House, so while Nixon took the U.S. out of Vietnam, no Democrat with a hope in hell of winning the next Presidential election has said he/she would withdraw from Iraq.  Sorry about that, but once again your one-sentence observations seem to have little to do with reality.

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  Sorry about that, but once again yourone-sentence observations seem to have little to do with reality. Lincoln presided over the _last_ civil war. Given the continuing bifurcation of socioeconomic classes, all it’ll take is another stolen election.

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> America has traditionally gone to war with a Democrat in > the White House

Due to the fact that preceding Republican administrations fuck things up so badly.

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>> America has traditionally gone to war with a Democrat in >> the White House > Oh, yeah right.  Except for the Civil War, Gulf War I, Panama, Grenada, > and > the present Iraqi FUBAR.  And they would like to fight Iran too.

How predictable that the leftist list leaves out WWI, WWII, Korea, oh, and what’s that other one, oh ya, Vietnam.  So on the scale of Fubars, how does Panama or Grenada rate against Vietnam?

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did courageously avow: >>> America has traditionally gone to war with a Democrat in >>> the White House > Oh, yeah right.  Except for the Civil War, Gulf War I, Panama, Grenada, > and > the present Iraqi FUBAR.  And they would like to fight Iran too. >How predictable that the leftist list leaves out WWI, WWII, Korea, oh, and >what’s that other one, oh ya, Vietnam.  So on the scale of Fubars, how does >Panama or Grenada rate against Vietnam?

Panama and Grenada aren’t significant enough to be considered more than exercises.  Not war by any conventional understanding of the term. — Ken Wilson

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>>> America has traditionally gone to war with a Democrat in >> the White House > Oh, yeah right.  Except for the Civil War, Gulf War I, Panama, Grenada, and > the present Iraqi FUBAR.  And they would like to fight Iran too.

Shhhh- These guys might have to learn about Wounded Knee, The 1935 Rape of Nanking, the complete falsification that was the Gulf of Tonkin Act and what happened to the USS LIBERTY 1967. Truthful, factual, actual, honest, real history is not what you might call -their "strong suite". Later, they get busy slapping up posts about songs, after years of having adhered to the neocon line. 1946 Nazis? WHAT Nazis? Where? 2008 Neocons? "   "       " THe history of Man.

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>>>> America has traditionally gone to war with a Democrat in >>> the White House > Oh, yeah right.  Except for the Civil War, Gulf War I, Panama, Grenada, > and > the present Iraqi FUBAR.  And they would like to fight Iran too. > How predictable that the leftist list leaves out WWI, WWII, Korea, oh, and > what’s that other one, oh ya, Vietnam.  So on the scale of Fubars, how does > Panama or Grenada rate against Vietnam?

My God, the poor bastard has absolutely NO perspective on the cold war, the entire domino theory bit, Ho Chi Minh’s IGNORED letters to Eisenhower pleading that weigh in on calling off the French dogs, etc. Dead Gas, alone in a cell for 60 days with _A_People’s_History_of_the_ United_States_ and _The_Rich_and_the_Super_Rich_. Better make that 180 days…

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> My God, the poor bastard has absolutely NO perspective on the cold war, > the entire domino theory bit, Ho Chi Minh’s IGNORED letters to Eisenhower > pleading that weigh in on calling off the French dogs, etc.

Bullcrap Marc, boots on the ground were under Kennedy and LBJ, you can’t dance around that no matter how fancy a pirate costume you’re wearing.

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> Later, they get busy slapping up posts about songs, after years of > having adhered to the neocon line.

Mulespeak to English translation:  They ignore me, they post links to music instead of reading my rants! You’ve had too much attention lately pirate-boy, you’re getting all agitated again, better lock you in the basement for awhile in case company comes over, ta ta.

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>> My God, the poor bastard has absolutely NO perspective on the cold war, > the entire domino theory bit, Ho Chi Minh’s IGNORED letters to Eisenhower > pleading that weigh in on calling off the French dogs, etc. > Bullcrap Marc, boots on the ground were under Kennedy and LBJ, you can’t > dance around that no matter how fancy a pirate costume you’re wearing.

Have you a fetish re; Arghhh factor? What are you referring to?! Tell us what you know about Ho Chi Minh’s plea to Eisenhower to disconnect the French. Tell us how the Vietnamese fared against the Japanese there in "French Indo-China". You are uneducated, ignorant and a liar with regard to ever having been in the U.S. or any other military branch of service. Now tell us about your pirate fetish -go ahead, straighten yer hook for all to see!

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>> Later, they get busy slapping up posts about songs, after years of > having adhered to the neocon line. > Mulespeak to English translation:  They ignore me, they post links to music > instead of reading my rants! > You’ve had too much attention lately pirate-boy, you’re getting all agitated > again, better lock you in the basement for awhile in case company comes > over, ta ta.

"ta ta?"…more pirate references?! "Too much attention?" Go on, no seriously- enlighten us

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hippy girls do taste better after smoking a joint!

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avow: >Hippy girls do taste better after smoking a joint!

Who smokes the joint, them, you or both? — Ken Wilson

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>> Later, they get busy slapping up posts about songs, after years of > having adhered to the neocon line. > Mulespeak to English translation:  They ignore me, they post links to music instead of reading my rants! > You’ve had too much attention lately pirate-boy, you’re getting all agitated again, better lock you in the basement for awhile in > case company comes over, ta ta.

Muleass is yerCervix! Must mean he’s your bitch. Must mean he’s a.g.a. bitch. What a sorry slut!

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OK, I Googleed thet thar USS Liberty. Wut?

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Yikes! …youtube is killing me, lol! A couple of months ago in AGA, someone posted a youtube link.  I was able to view the video without a problem. Now, nada…just the message to update flash; which I’ve done at least five times, with no discernable effect. I’ve got IE security settings at Medium…any other suggestions?

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>Yikes! >…youtube is killing me, lol! >A couple of months ago in AGA, someone posted a >youtube link.  I was able to view the video >without a problem. >Now, nada…just the message to update flash; >which I’ve done at least five times, with no >discernable effect. >I’ve got IE security settings at Medium…any >other suggestions?

That kind of thing can be annoying.  I don’t know how to fix that.   I use Mozilla, and don’t know my way around IE. Youtube got themselves a new player interface recently, and I suppose it needs newer plug-ins. Doesn’t that kind of webpage use Flash *and* Macromedia drivers?   When I get a new computer, I always mess around with those things until I get the Homestar Runner website working, and that’s usually enough to get things working. Pete

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> Yikes! > …youtube is killing me, lol! > A couple of months ago in AGA, someone posted a > youtube link.  I was able to view the video > without a problem. > Now, nada…just the message to update flash; > which I’ve done at least five times, with no > discernable effect. > I’ve got IE security settings at Medium…any > other suggestions?

Could be a few things , so here’s one to try.. I’m sure you’re running a virus scan program of some sort other blockers than what IE has to offer Make sure ( if you do have one or more) they’re allowing the program to run(allow acsess)?? If you,ve had any windoz updates lately, make sure your settings are what they were before, for example, everytime I get an update from there, it sets my default mail to "Outlook" and I have to back in and set it to "Outlook Express" which is what I use??? Go figure??? AHHHHH”” PUTERS    Good luck!!  It’s bound to be something so simple you’re going to end up saying "DUH" Sonny

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> I’ve got IE security settings at Medium…any > other suggestions?

Try Firefox, for starters. Second, it looks like YouTube deleted a lot of stuff, and in some cases it seems rather than being honest and saying the item was deleted, they’re just generating fake error messages. I may be wrong, this is just a WAG. Lastly, they may have fiddled with the video that’s being transmitted, and things may not play if you’re missing a codec or have an outdated codec. I installed the "K-Lite Mega Codec Pack", which seems to be able to play damn near everything. — Ned Carlson SW side of Chicago, USA www.tubezone.net

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… > Lastly, they may have fiddled with the video that’s being > transmitted, and things may not play if you’re missing a codec > or have an outdated codec. I installed the "K-Lite Mega Codec Pack", > which seems to be able to play damn near everything.

Highly recommended!  Also contains Media Player Classic, which can make use of most of these codecs. __ Steve .

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> Highly recommended!  Also contains Media Player Classic, > which can make use of most of these codecs. > __ > Steve > ..

Open Source rocks. ‘Nuff said… — Ned Carlson SW side of Chicago, USA www.tubezone.net

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In article <MPG.1f01e90fe8877c9899c4 > Yikes! > …youtube is killing me, lol! > A couple of months ago in AGA, someone posted a > youtube link.  I was able to view the video > without a problem. > Now, nada…just the message to update flash; > which I’ve done at least five times, with no > discernable effect. > I’ve got IE security settings at Medium…any > other suggestions?

After playing around with various Macromedia downloads and getting nowhere, I did it the old fashioned way.  Found all directories referring to "flash" and deleted `em.  After that, the Flash 8 download installed, and all is well again.  Still don’t know what made it all *stop* working, but it’s working now. ;- )

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I just got home from a movie, shown at a very old movie theater. It’s a neighborhood landmark, but fairly dilapidated. The owner is trying to renovate it, so I occasionally take my kids to see movies there to show support. Anyway, the sound system is, according to the owner, a very old tube system, and it sounded like shit tonight. He’s aware of that, but doesn’t know how to fix it. There are no experts around here as far as I know, and I’ve sent my amps to Robert Braught in Kansas because of that. The system was very noisy, and the sound of the film (the animated flick Madagascar) was buried beneath the static/white noise etc. Can any of the experts here make some suggestions as to the cause/cure? The owner’s going to be net shopping for tubes, hoping that’ll fix it. What else can he do, other than hire an expert from out of town/state? TIA, ~Rich

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I think that there might be somebody in Denver that can fix it… Look up NBS electronics in the phone book. Claude

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I might recommend replacing. The sound quality of today’s theater equipmen t is so far superiour to that of days gone by, that trying to save the old tube stuff in this situation is no worth it. Just my opinion. I think the guy would end up spending a great deal more to repair the tube system to achieve a lower quality sound system than is available in today’s systems. The average theater goer (read as the owner’s patrons) does not hear, or even care to hear, the dif between a tube sound system and a modern theater system. However if they did I believe they would have a negative reaction to the sound system rather than a positive to the tube system. So the expense would not be justified… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just got home from a movie, shown at a very old movie theater. It’s a > neighborhood landmark, but fairly dilapidated. The owner is trying to > renovate it, so I occasionally take my kids to see movies there to show > support. Anyway, the sound system is, according to the owner, a very > old tube system, and it sounded like shit tonight. He’s aware of that, > but doesn’t know how to fix it. There are no experts around here as far > as I know, and I’ve sent my amps to Robert Braught in Kansas because of > that. > The system was very noisy, and the sound of the film (the animated > flick Madagascar) was buried beneath the static/white noise etc. Can > any of the experts here make some suggestions as to the cause/cure? The > owner’s going to be net shopping for tubes, hoping that’ll fix it. What > else can he do, other than hire an expert from out of town/state? > TIA, ~Rich

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I would suggest replacing as well, but I don’t think he’s up for that kind of expense. He does have a lot of other problems with the theater besides the sound, but the immediate fix of the static/white noise is very necessary. BTW I’m in Nebraska, so calling Valve probably isn’t in the cards. A house call from The Lord would be outrageously expensive, don’t you think?

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>I would suggest replacing as well, but I don’t think he’s up for that >kind of expense. He does have a lot of other problems with the theater >besides the sound, but the immediate fix of the static/white noise is >very necessary. BTW I’m in Nebraska, so calling Valve probably isn’t in >the cards. A house call from The Lord would be outrageously expensive, >don’t you think?

I dunno. Call him and ask. Maybe he’d talk somebody thru the troubleshooting over the phone or IRC or something… Robert might be able to do something like that too. Ask him…. Claude

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I can see your piont. However, He may be into a larger expense to repair or have repaired the current system, and still not come out with the best sound available. I wouold recommend pricing out both way before doing either. Again just a suggestion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I would suggest replacing as well, but I don’t think he’s up for that > kind of expense. He does have a lot of other problems with the theater > besides the sound, but the immediate fix of the static/white noise is > very necessary. BTW I’m in Nebraska, so calling Valve probably isn’t in > the cards. A house call from The Lord would be outrageously expensive, > don’t you think?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I just got home from a movie, shown at a very old movie theater. It’s a >neighborhood landmark, but fairly dilapidated. The owner is trying to >renovate it, so I occasionally take my kids to see movies there to show >support. Anyway, the sound system is, according to the owner, a very >old tube system, and it sounded like shit tonight. He’s aware of that, >but doesn’t know how to fix it. There are no experts around here as far >as I know, and I’ve sent my amps to Robert Braught in Kansas because of >that. >The system was very noisy, and the sound of the film (the animated >flick Madagascar) was buried beneath the static/white noise etc. Can >any of the experts here make some suggestions as to the cause/cure? The >owner’s going to be net shopping for tubes, hoping that’ll fix it. What >else can he do, other than hire an expert from out of town/state? >TIA, ~Rich

If he doesn’t really know what he’s doing with an old tube amp, and can’t afford to pay someone to do maintenance on it, then it might be time for him to cut his losses, and instead look for advice on a very dependable solid state power amp, and just sell the old tube amp to a tube enthusiast. You know, because if new tubes don’t fix the problem, then he’ll add the expense of the new tubes to the cost of the new amp he’ll have to buy anyhow.  And how well can anyone troubleshoot an amp long distance? Is it really tubes, or does it need a cap job too?  Or both? Some more info about what this amp he has is might be helpful here too. Well, he’d probably have better luck buying tubes from Lord Valve, and discussing what’s going on with the amp, than he would be buying the tubes from a shopping cart style online tube dealer.  And I know that LV can also set him up with degradable SS power amps. Pete — Oh look, the exploding circus is coming to town. One night only. –Brak’s Dad

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I just got home from a movie, shown at a very old movie theater. It’s a > neighborhood landmark, but fairly dilapidated. The owner is trying to > renovate it, so I occasionally take my kids to see movies there to show > support. Anyway, the sound system is, according to the owner, a very > old tube system, and it sounded like shit tonight. He’s aware of that, > but doesn’t know how to fix it. There are no experts around here as far > as I know, and I’ve sent my amps to Robert Braught in Kansas because of > that. > The system was very noisy, and the sound of the film (the animated > flick Madagascar) was buried beneath the static/white noise etc. Can > any of the experts here make some suggestions as to the cause/cure? The > owner’s going to be net shopping for tubes, hoping that’ll fix it. What > else can he do, other than hire an expert from out of town/state? > TIA, ~Rich

If it’s old, it probably needs some routine maintenance.  That might mean a cap job, new tubes, and someone to check the various resistors and caps to make sure they are still good.  There’s no getting around it.  If the amp chassis can be removed and carefully packed, it can be shipped out for maintenance.  Just arrange for someone like Robert or Willie to agree to put the work on the front of the bench as soon as it arrives.  If you use FedEx, it can be back within a week.  Otherwise, your friend is shut down until it returns. Just my 2 cents.  I don’t know much. Phil

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I just got home from a movie, shown at a very old movie theater. It’s a >neighborhood landmark, but fairly dilapidated. The owner is trying to >renovate it, so I occasionally take my kids to see movies there to show >support. Anyway, the sound system is, according to the owner, a very >old tube system, and it sounded like shit tonight. He’s aware of that, >but doesn’t know how to fix it. There are no experts around here as far >as I know, and I’ve sent my amps to Robert Braught in Kansas because of >that. >The system was very noisy, and the sound of the film (the animated >flick Madagascar) was buried beneath the static/white noise etc. Can >any of the experts here make some suggestions as to the cause/cure? The >owner’s going to be net shopping for tubes, hoping that’ll fix it. What >else can he do, other than hire an expert from out of town/state? >TIA, ~Rich >If he doesn’t really know what he’s doing with an old tube amp, and >can’t afford to pay someone to do maintenance on it, then it might be >time for him to cut his losses, and instead look for advice on a very >dependable solid state power amp, and just sell the old tube amp to a >tube enthusiast. >You know, because if new tubes don’t fix the problem, then he’ll add >the expense of the new tubes to the cost of the new amp he’ll have to >buy anyhow.  And how well can anyone troubleshoot an amp long >distance? >Is it really tubes, or does it need a cap job too?  Or both? >Some more info about what this amp he has is might be helpful here >too. >Well, he’d probably have better luck buying tubes from Lord Valve, and >discussing what’s going on with the amp, than he would be buying the >tubes from a shopping cart style online tube dealer.  And I know that >LV can also set him up with degradable SS power amps. >Pete

My spellchecker got me again!  I guess I misspelled dependable, and it must have suggested "degradable", and I wasn’t paying close enough attention.  Sorry. Or was that a freudian slip?  Degradable SS power amp.  That’d be a tough one to sell, but it almost sounds like a brand name. Phil S brought up that it might be something other than tubes or caps. Yep.   God only knows what went funky on an old tube amp that might never have had *any* maintenance yet.  Considering how old it probably is by now, that’s pretty impressive. Pete — Oh look, the exploding circus is coming to town. One night only. –Brak’s Dad

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Rich, tied to the tracks, said: … > The system was very noisy, and the sound of the film (the animated > flick Madagascar) was buried beneath the static/white noise etc. Can > any of the experts here make some suggestions as to the cause/cure? The > owner’s going to be net shopping for tubes, hoping that’ll fix it. What > else can he do, other than hire an expert from out of town/state?

I’d start by just removing and reinserting the tubes a few times in case there’s a bad connection in a socket.  Low probability, but cheap enough so long as you’re careful.  The amp has to be off and the tubes cool, of course. If that’s not it, time to try new tubes.  But as someone else noted, this *could* get pricey.  or not. Where are you located?

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>I might recommend replacing. The sound quality of today’s theater >equipmen t is so far superiour to that of days gone by, that trying to

Could be….But not sure if the high end stuff is going to be cheap. Most of the old movie house stuff was real high quality stuff..IE: western electric, etc, etc.. The hang is the overall condition. New caps in many circuits would be a given.  But it’s quite possible that stuff could be put back into working order fairly easily.  That it’s working now, although crappish, is a real good sign.  The best bet to fix it is probably some 85 year old fart that used to work tube TV/radio repair…. No joke… But fixing that thing up shouldn’t be that big a deal really unless it’s really ancient.  Now that I think about it, I used to talk to a guy on the radio, that traveled town to town fixing movie house gear, but I ain’t heard from him in years… His job probably became semi obsolete with all the plug n play solid state stuff… As far as noise, clean and tighten all sockets, clean pots, look for leaking caps, including coupling caps, etc… The usual.. All the electrolytics are probably half toast…Does it hummmmmm? How old is it? 50’s, 60’s is probably easier to deal with than some relic from the 30’s, 40’s… They used some funky tubes in the old days… I’ve got a 1948 RCA radio/phono console I snagged in a trade. It’s got a dual 6v6 output circuit, and actually would make a decent geetar amp.  But I hate to butcher it, as I like the radio.. It has AM-SW, and a big loop antenna in the back. Mellow sound, and the phono seems to work, except I think the needle is toast.  It’s 78’s only I think, naturally… I could plug a geetar to the phono input, and it should work I would think. I got it all working except the output tranny fried after about an hour of operation.  It shorted out due to the dreaded "green oxidation" you see in some of those ancient trannies that have sat for years.. It forms around the wire of the windings, and shorts them out… I bet that movie amp  would sound great if overhauled, if it was good gear to begin with… Most were. Might need some new speakers after a while…But maybe not… MK

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>Just arrange for someone like Robert or Willie to agree to put >the work on the front of the bench as soon as it arrives.  If you use FedEx, >it can be back within a week.  Otherwise, your friend is shut down until it >returns.

Best bet, if the owner doesn’t have a clue about amps. This assuming Robert or Willie works on those… It would be best if whoever looks at it actually knows something about amps… :/  Sometimes the "golden diddlestick" can get lucky if something like a loose tube, dirty pot, etc, but usually not if anything serious… You want everything right for it to live up to it’s full potential, and not blow up after two weeks..  :( MK

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Thanks for the advice everyone. I’ll get in touch with the guy and tell him what you’ve said, and see what he thinks. I haven’t seen the system myself, so I have no idea what it is or its age. BTW we’re in Lincoln, NE.

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> Thanks for the advice everyone. I’ll get in touch with the guy and tell > him what you’ve said, and see what he thinks. I haven’t seen the system > myself, so I have no idea what it is or its age. BTW we’re in Lincoln, > NE.

Robert Braught is probably within 100 miles of there: http://www.braught.com/ Is that the theater in Havelock?  I remember seeing a few flicks there when I was going to school.  There was a great short subject called Hardware Wars, a spoof of Star Wars that included a Princess Leia character who wore cheese danishes on the sides of her head, and a hero named Oggie-Ben-Doggie. Great stuff. Jeff

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>Robert Braught is probably within 100 > miles of there: >http://www.braught.com/ >Is that the theater in Havelock? I > remember seeing a few flicks there > when I was going to school. There was > a great short subject called Hardware > Wars, a spoof of Star Wars that > included a Princess Leia character who > wore cheese danishes on the sides of > her head, and a hero named > Oggie-Ben-Doggie. Great stuff. >Jeff

Robert’s a bit further away than that…he’s closer to KC, but a house call from him wouldn’t be cheap either. When I had him work on my Vibro-Champ a while back he was about to raise prices. Yeah, it’s the theater in Havelock..it’s called the Joyo, and it’s in pretty bad shape. I haven’t had the chance to see the owner yet, but since he does have Monday Night Football there, I may pop in to let him know the score as everyone here sees it. Maybe he’ll let me have a peek at it and I can pass that along to you all here. Thanks again. BTW sorry about the lack of quotes in my previous posts. I used Google to access the group from my computer and it’s not as intuitive as I’d like. I couldn’t find a way to do quotes or sig lines. Webtv may be slow, but it’s easy as hell! ~Rich See my gear at the link! http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Robert Braught is probably within 100 > miles of there: >http://www.braught.com/ >Is that the theater in Havelock? I > remember seeing a few flicks there > when I was going to school. There was > a great short subject called Hardware > Wars, a spoof of Star Wars that > included a Princess Leia character who > wore cheese danishes on the sides of > her head, and a hero named > Oggie-Ben-Doggie. Great stuff. >Jeff >Robert’s a bit further away than that…he’s closer to KC, but a house >call from him wouldn’t be cheap either. When I had him work on my >Vibro-Champ a while back he was about to raise prices. >Yeah, it’s the theater in Havelock..it’s called the Joyo, and it’s in >pretty bad shape. I haven’t had the chance to see the owner yet, but >since he does have Monday Night Football there, I may pop in to let him >know the score as everyone here sees it. Maybe he’ll let me have a peek >at it and I can pass that along to you all here. Thanks again. >BTW sorry about the lack of quotes in my previous posts. I used Google >to access the group from my computer and it’s not as intuitive as I’d >like. I couldn’t find a way to do quotes or sig lines. Webtv may be >slow, but it’s easy as hell! >~Rich >See my gear at the link! >http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

If you get a chance to look at it, bring s digital camera if you have one, and put a picture of it on your website. BTW, cool 4104 Marshall combo.  I want one of those sometime. Pete — Oh look, the exploding circus is coming to town. One night only. –Brak’s Dad

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I have a friend in Tempe, AZ who is a whiz at old motion picture equipment. His name is Randy Lee Munro, known professionally as Mr. Projectionist. He travels all over the country dealing with antique equipment such as Western Electric, Victor, Edison, Powers, etc. He understands electronics as well as mechanicals. His website is www.mrprojectionist.com and his cell phone is (602) 487-7682. Have your friend call him and he will be able to give him invaluable advice regarding what to do and where to get it done. Tell him I referred you. P " We had a knob, and all we had to do was turn it."  -  Les Paul Grins, Peter                                                                                                                     http://community.webtv.net/guitarmaniax/THISISTHE http://community.webtv.net/guitarmaniax/unfinished3 http://community.webtv.net/guitarmaniax/KAYDELUXEELTROVADOR http://community.webtv.net/guitarmaniax/PhotoReserveNo1 http://community.webtv.net/guitarmaniax/MYFRIEND

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This thread is NOT off-topic.

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>This thread is NOT off-topic.

Well, it’s not exactly guitar amps, is it? I’ll grant you it’s not as off topic as this group usually gets, but I felt the OT was necessary nonetheless. No harm, no foul. ~Rich

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>>This thread is NOT off-topic. >Well, it’s not exactly guitar amps, is it?

TUBE and AMP it is.  You came to the right place to find tube amp circuit benders, no doubt in that.   > I’ll grant you it’s not as >off topic as this group usually gets, but I felt the OT was necessary >nonetheless. No harm, no foul.

I just wish my kill filters on "OT:*" hadn’t hid this gem from me.  In amonst the muck of politic threads there this was.

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To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I’m just curious, how does it feel? How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification was that he ran horse shows? That’s right. Horse shows. I really want to know — and I ask you this in all sincerity and with all due respect — how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush has shown for your safety? C’mon, give me just a moment of honesty. Don’t start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right thing after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us in case of an emergency or catastrophe. I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call America. Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency preparedness have zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you think we are safer? When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a man with little experience in national security, do you feel secure? When men who never served in the military and have never seen young men die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your legs blown off for a threat that was never there? Do you really believe that turning over important government services to private corporations has resulted in better services for the people? Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for America? GOOD OR BAD? With the nation’s debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home? Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn’t he say that we would be judged by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in and blew off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and justice for all. The wind howled and the water rose and what was revealed was that the poor in America shall be left to suffer and die while the President of the United States fiddles and tells them to eat cake. That’s not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, Mr. Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves with cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose repair funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some country singer gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water. It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in his jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 2500 feet below him as he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO MORE DAYS before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. This was no seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read "My Pet Goat" to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than saying "Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you’re doing a heck of a job!" My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing stock of the world? And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that bright sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain? Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or natural disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one in eight Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an education system where one in six children never graduate and most of those who do can’t string a coherent sentence together. The middle class can’t pay the mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 million have no health coverage whatsoever. Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out and build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you’ve sown will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. Do you really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope that if they are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot themselves and drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe the problem will somehow go away? I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who wasn’t up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren’t up for the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace and safety and security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose? I have an idea, and it isn’t a horse show.

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Hey I remeber you. You had the funny green / orange hair back in the 80’s, and were one of the most popular toys of the day. Do you still have the jewel in your navel Trollboy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: > On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I’m just curious, how does it feel? > How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were > attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification > was that he ran horse shows? > That’s right. Horse shows. > I really want to know — and I ask you this in all sincerity and with all > due respect — how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush has shown > for your safety? C’mon, give me just a moment of honesty. Don’t start > ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of one of > the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats and > liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just look me in the eye > and tell me our President did the right thing after 9/11 by naming a horse > show runner as the top man to protect us in case of an emergency or > catastrophe. > I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of > Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger and > just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call America. > Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the horse show > runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency preparedness have zero > experience in emergency preparedness, do you think we are safer? > When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a man with > little experience in national security, do you feel secure? > When men who never served in the military and have never seen young men die > in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they know how to > conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your legs blown off for a > threat that was never there? > Do you really believe that turning over important government services to > private corporations has resulted in better services for the people? > Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for > politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund the > federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs like FEMA and > the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for America? GOOD OR BAD? > With the nation’s debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for the > rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds of > thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home? > Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn’t he say that we would be judged by > how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in and blew off the > facade that we were a nation with liberty and justice for all. The wind > howled and the water rose and what was revealed was that the poor in America > shall be left to suffer and die while the President of the United States > fiddles and tells them to eat cake. > That’s not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, Mr. Bush, > John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves with cake. A full > day after the levees broke (the same levees whose repair funding he had > cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some country singer gave him. All this > while New Orleans sank under water. > It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in his > jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 2500 feet below him as he > flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO MORE DAYS before a > trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. This was no seven minutes in > a sitting trance while children read "My Pet Goat" to him. This was FOUR > DAYS of doing nothing other than saying "Brownie (FEMA director Michael > Brown), you’re doing a heck of a job!" > My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing stock of > the world? > And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame those > who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves today every > bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that bright sunny morning, > then did the 3,000 die in vain? > Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or natural > disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one in eight > Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an education system where > one in six children never graduate and most of those who do can’t string a > coherent sentence together. The middle class can’t pay the mortgage or the > hospital bills and 45 million have no health coverage whatsoever. > Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out and build > so many gated communities before the fruit of what you’ve sown will be > crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. Do you really want to > wait until that happens? Or is it your hope that if they are left alone long > enough to soil themselves and shoot themselves and drown in the filth that > fills the street that maybe the problem will somehow go away? > I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who wasn’t > up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren’t up for the job. You > did this to us, to the world, to the people of New Orleans. Please fix it. > Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace and safety and security, this has > to be fixed. What do you propose? > I have an idea, and it isn’t a horse show.

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Swack on crack

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"ndugu" tries more moonbat bullshit: > How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were > attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main > qualification was that he ran horse shows?>

How des it feel to know your left wing, douche bag Senators approved the guy’s nomination? How does it also feel to know that based upon the man’s work in Florida last year he was priased by DemoCRAPS as a hero? Sorry, asshole, the blood’s on the hands of the incompetent, corrupt idiots who run :Louisiana: All DemoCROOKS! Let the investigations begin!!!! (Remaining commie bullshit flushed like fecal matter.)

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Have a nice bray, & don’t foget to whipe the spittle off your keyboard

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this is so cool this administration has gotten so inept and crooked, that not even the wackos on AGA can sucessfully defend it! HA! HA!    I LOVE IT I have been waiting 5 years for this day! PS – read more about these crooks: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-09-10-katrina-contracts_…

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>this is so cool >this administration has gotten so inept and crooked, that not even the >wackos on AGA can sucessfully defend it! >HA! HA!    I LOVE IT >I have been waiting 5 years for this day! >PS – read more about these crooks: >http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-09-10-katrina-contracts_…

There’s a message from the President, just for you, at: http://bopbush.com/BushFinger.gif Regards Claude

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>To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: >On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I’m just curious, how does it feel? >How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were >attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification >was that he ran horse shows? >That’s right. Horse shows.

LOL! Dickweed doesn’t give credit to Michael "Fatass" Moore because even he knows Moore is an idiot! Thanks Mick. I just looked at Moore’s site and he gives a lot of space to Cindy Shemale. My question to the fat slob is this – What are Cindy Sheehan’s qualifications to lead an anti-war movement? Because a son she didn’t raise died and she’s an attention-whore? Because she knows nothing at all about foreign policy and wants the immediate pullout of troops, meaning we will have wasted the last few years and pulled out before the job was done? Michael Moore is a phony. His Fahrenheit 9/11 ‘documentary’ and others are blatant ripoffs of 1930’s-40’s Nazi propaganda films against the Jews. They are the exact same style. The pictures of Bush’s cabinet (instead of Jews) shown candidly with mysterious and evil-like music, dubbed with his slow, soft whining commentary. I don’t understand how libs can take his propaganda as any kind of unbiased and factual commentary. …but then again, we’re talking libs here.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey I remeber you. You had the funny green / orange hair back in the > 80’s, and were one of the most popular toys of the day. Do you still > have the jewel in your navel Trollboy. > To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: > On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I’m just curious, how does it > feel? > How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we > were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main > qualification was that he ran horse shows? > That’s right. Horse shows. > I really want to know — and I ask you this in all sincerity and with > all due respect — how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush > has shown for your safety? C’mon, give me just a moment of honesty. > Don’t start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the > fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred > of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. > Just look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right thing > after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us > in case of an emergency or catastrophe. > I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of > Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger > and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call > America. > Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the > horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency > preparedness have zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you > think we are safer? > When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a > man with little experience in national security, do you feel secure? > When men who never served in the military and have never seen young > men die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they > know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your > legs blown off for a threat that was never there? > Do you really believe that turning over important government services > to private corporations has resulted in better services for the people? > Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for > politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund > the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs > like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for > America? GOOD OR BAD? > With the nation’s debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for > the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds > of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home? > Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn’t he say that we would be judged > by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in and blew > off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and justice for all. > The wind howled and the water rose and what was revealed was that the > poor in America shall be left to suffer and die while the President of > the United States fiddles and tells them to eat cake. > That’s not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, Mr. > Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves with > cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose repair > funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some country singer > gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water. > It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in > his jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 2500 feet below him > as he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO MORE > DAYS before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. This was > no seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read "My Pet Goat" > to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than saying "Brownie > (FEMA director Michael Brown), you’re doing a heck of a job!" > My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing > stock of the world? > And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame > those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves > today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that bright > sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain? > Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or natural > disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one in eight > Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an education system > where one in six children never graduate and most of those who do > can’t string a coherent sentence together. The middle class can’t pay > the mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 million have no health > coverage whatsoever. > Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out and > build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you’ve sown > will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. Do you > really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope that if > they are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot > themselves and drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe the > problem will somehow go away? > I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who > wasn’t up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren’t up for > the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New > Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace and > safety and security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose? > I have an idea, and it isn’t a horse show.

Actually, back when they first got popular back in the sixties, we called them "damn-dolls".

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Prease sir, your fortunr cookie read: http://www.badcookie.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey I remeber you. You had the funny green / orange hair back in the > 80’s, and were one of the most popular toys of the day. Do you still > have the jewel in your navel Trollboy. >> To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: >> On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I’m just curious, how does >> it feel? >> How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we >> were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main >> qualification was that he ran horse shows? >> That’s right. Horse shows. >> I really want to know — and I ask you this in all sincerity and with >> all due respect — how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush >> has shown for your safety? C’mon, give me just a moment of honesty. >> Don’t start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the >> fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred >> of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. >> Just look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right thing >> after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us >> in case of an emergency or catastrophe. >> I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of >> Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger >> and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call >> America. >> Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the >> horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency >> preparedness have zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you >> think we are safer? >> When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a >> man with little experience in national security, do you feel secure? >> When men who never served in the military and have never seen young >> men die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they >> know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your >> legs blown off for a threat that was never there? >> Do you really believe that turning over important government services >> to private corporations has resulted in better services for the people? >> Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for >> politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund >> the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs >> like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for >> America? GOOD OR BAD? >> With the nation’s debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for >> the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds >> of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home? >> Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn’t he say that we would be >> judged by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in >> and blew off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and >> justice for all. The wind howled and the water rose and what was >> revealed was that the poor in America shall be left to suffer and die >> while the President of the United States fiddles and tells them to >> eat cake. >> That’s not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, >> Mr. Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves >> with cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose >> repair funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some >> country singer gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water. >> It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in >> his jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 2500 feet below >> him as he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO >> MORE DAYS before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. >> This was no seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read "My >> Pet Goat" to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than >> saying "Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you’re doing a heck of >> a job!" >> My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing >> stock of the world? >> And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame >> those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves >> today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that >> bright sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain? >> Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or >> natural disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one >> in eight Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an >> education system where one in six children never graduate and most of >> those who do can’t string a coherent sentence together. The middle >> class can’t pay the mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 million >> have no health coverage whatsoever. >> Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out >> and build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you’ve >> sown will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. >> Do you really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope >> that if they are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot >> themselves and drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe >> the problem will somehow go away? >> I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who >> wasn’t up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren’t up >> for the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New >> Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace >> and safety and security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose? >> I have an idea, and it isn’t a horse show. > Actually, back when they first got popular back in the sixties, we > called them "damn-dolls".

Well there you go. I bet everyone will get used to seing me get corrected on these things. It helps me learn. I can’t remember that far back. The whole infantcy thing. Thanks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Hey I remeber you. You had the funny green / orange hair back in the >> 80’s, and were one of the most popular toys of the day. Do you still >> have the jewel in your navel Trollboy. >>> To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush: >>> On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I’m just curious, how does >>> it feel? >>> How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after >>> we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose >>> main qualification was that he ran horse shows? >>> That’s right. Horse shows. >>> I really want to know — and I ask you this in all sincerity and >>> with all due respect — how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. >>> Bush has shown for your safety? C’mon, give me just a moment of >>> honesty. Don’t start ranting on about how this disaster in New >>> Orleans was the fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put >>> aside your hatred of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last >>> name of Clinton. Just look me in the eye and tell me our President >>> did the right thing after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the >>> top man to protect us in case of an emergency or catastrophe. >>> I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of >>> Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger >>> and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both >>> call America. >>> Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the >>> horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency >>> preparedness have zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you >>> think we are safer? >>> When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a >>> man with little experience in national security, do you feel secure? >>> When men who never served in the military and have never seen young >>> men die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think >>> they know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have >>> your legs blown off for a threat that was never there? >>> Do you really believe that turning over important government >>> services to private corporations has resulted in better services for >>> the people? >>> Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for >>> politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to >>> de-fund the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal >>> programs like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or >>> bad for America? GOOD OR BAD? >>> With the nation’s debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts >>> for the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so >>> hundreds of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home? >>> Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn’t he say that we would be >>> judged by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in >>> and blew off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and >>> justice for all. The wind howled and the water rose and what was >>> revealed was that the poor in America shall be left to suffer and >>> die while the President of the United States fiddles and tells them >>> to eat cake. >>> That’s not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, >>> Mr. Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves >>> with cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose >>> repair funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some >>> country singer gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water. >>> It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in >>> his jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 2500 feet below >>> him as he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO >>> MORE DAYS before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. >>> This was no seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read >>> "My Pet Goat" to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than >>> saying "Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you’re doing a heck >>> of a job!" >>> My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing >>> stock of the world? >>> And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or >>> shame those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find >>> ourselves today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on >>> that bright sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain? >>> Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or >>> natural disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one >>> in eight Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an >>> education system where one in six children never graduate and most >>> of those who do can’t string a coherent sentence together. The >>> middle class can’t pay the mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 >>> million have no health coverage whatsoever. >>> Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out >>> and build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you’ve >>> sown will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. >>> Do you really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope >>> that if they are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot >>> themselves and drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe >>> the problem will somehow go away? >>> I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who >>> wasn’t up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren’t up >>> for the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New >>> Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace >>> and safety and security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose? >>> I have an idea, and it isn’t a horse show. > Actually, back when they first got popular back in the sixties, we > called them "damn-dolls". > Well there you go. I bet everyone will get used to seing me get > corrected on these things. It helps me learn. I can’t remember that far > back. The whole infantcy thing. Thanks.

Oh, I wasn’t correcting you….just dumping out some useless trivia.

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As someone who voted for Bush I can tell you I am just as angry about the lack of effectiveness of the government at all levels in this disaster. Let me just say that if Clinton were still president, the response would be just as bad.  We conservatives would be screaming just as loud as liberals are now.  Why would response be so bad?  Because government only knows how to throw money at problems, not how to fix them. It is now projected that the Federal government will spend over $100 billion on relief and cleanup on the Katrina disaster.  Considering that there are approx. 300,000 families that are victims of the storm, that amounts to over $300,000 per family!  Does anyone believe any of these families, or for that matter, the American people will receive anything resembling their money’s worth? The initial $10.5 Billion has been spent.  Other than a few $2,000 debit cards, the victims have received very little assistance from FEMA.  They’ve received help from volunteers, private citizens and corporations that are making it their business to help them. When are we going to realize that we must help ourselves when we can, and help each other when we cannot?  Expecting government to solve our problems is just too costly and inefficient. </rant>

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Have you thought to look beyond the major media and their ‘blame FEMA’ catch-all answer to Katrina? City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy By LISE OLSEN Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle Cancer patient Earl Robicheaux, his immune system depleted by radical chemotherapy, lay in a hospital bed as Hurricane Katrina bore down on New Orleans. Trying to leave, he thought, seemed suicidal. But after four days in the hospital’s reeking darkness, he escaped via a Black Hawk helicopter that landed on the roof of the University Hospital under heavy guard because of the threat of sniper fire. It was not the evacuation plan authorities had envisioned for its sick, its elderly and its poor. As the floodwaters recede, serious questions remain about whether New Orleans and Louisiana officials followed their own plans for evacuating people with no other way out. The mayor’s mandatory evacuation order was issued 20 hours before the storm struck the Louisiana coast, less than half the time researchers determined would be needed to get everyone out. City officials had 550 municipal buses and hundreds of additional school buses at their disposal but made no plans to use them to get people out of New Orleans before the storm, said Chester Wilmot, a civil engineering professor at Louisiana State University and an expert in transportation planning, who helped the city put together its evacuation plan. Instead, local buses were used to ferry people from 12 pickup points to poorly supplied "shelters of last resort" in the city. An estimated 50,000 New Orleans households have no access to cars, Wilmot said. State and local plans both called for extra help to be provided in advance to residents with "special needs," though no specific timetable was prepared. But phone lines for people who needed specialized shelters opened at noon Saturday

The Russians & Chinese…just signed an anti-U.S. pact and are getting ready to embark upon joint military maneuvers. *Keep* questioning the painful truths I’ve laid out before you.

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> The Russians & Chinese…just signed an anti-U.S. pact and are getting > ready to embark upon joint military maneuvers. > *Keep* questioning the painful truths I’ve laid out before you.

You are so negative – can’t you see it’ll kick off a new Mowtown era that’ll be good for our jaded music scene?  ("Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide…")

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The Ruskies and more so the Chinese need the US trade $ more than they need a war right now. It is that USA that needs a new war to divert attentions. Watch for "The Attack on Iran", coming soon on CNN. >("Nowhere to run, nowhere

to hide…") JJ Cale, him never been to Deetroit. :-> Porky

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>The Russians & Chinese…just signed an anti-U.S. pact and are getting >ready to embark upon joint military maneuvers. >*Keep* questioning the painful truths I’ve laid out before you.

Question: how will this affect the supply of tubes for my amp?

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lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: … > You are so negative – can’t you see it’ll kick off a new Mowtown era > that’ll be good for our jaded music scene?  ("Nowhere to run, nowhere > to hide…")

Mowtown? Is that Lawn Mower Man’s new label?

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Mike T., tied to the tracks, said: >The Russians & Chinese…just signed an anti-U.S. pact and are getting >ready to embark upon joint military maneuvers. … > Question: how will this affect the supply of tubes for my amp?

It’s great for us.  We can scavenge tubes from all the downed Sukhois, MiGs, and whatever the Chinese fly!

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> lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: > … > You are so negative – can’t you see it’ll kick off a new Mowtown era > that’ll be good for our jaded music scene?  ("Nowhere to run, nowhere > to hide…") > Mowtown? > Is that Lawn Mower Man’s new label?

Yep, our ass is grass.  :-)  (do I get a prize for trying to make a misspelling mean something?)

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Martha & the Vandellas you silly. (‘64?)

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> >The Russians & Chinese…just signed an anti-U.S. pact and are getting >ready to embark upon joint military maneuvers. >*Keep* questioning the painful truths I’ve laid out before you. > Question: how will this affect the supply of tubes for my amp?

There should initially be a great increase in & immense price reduction of the finest ga-ga NOS, assuming they kill off all the guys who sit home unproductively in California playing their guitars & amps first, who piled these tubes up.  Then, as they see it cuts into sales of new Chinese & Russian tubes, they’ll get confiscated or smashed, and the best you’ll be able to get will be boring Russian 5881’s for $200 an unmatched pair.  The rest depends on whether they supply power to your compound…or whether the guards are guitar players who like amp techs…

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lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: … > Mowtown? > Is that Lawn Mower Man’s new label? > Yep, our ass is grass.  :-)  (do I get a prize for trying to make a > misspelling mean something?)

Post of the Week!

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lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: … > There should initially be a great increase in & immense price reduction > of the finest ga-ga NOS, assuming they kill off all the guys who sit > home unproductively in California playing their guitars & amps first, > who piled these tubes up.  Then, as they see it cuts into sales of new > Chinese & Russian tubes, they’ll get confiscated or smashed, and the > best you’ll be able to get will be boring Russian 5881’s for $200 an > unmatched pair.  The rest depends on whether they supply power to your > compound…or whether the guards are guitar players who like amp > techs…

Maybe in California.  Texas doesn’t plan on losing.  We have more guns per capita than anyone, and more guns, total, than California has, well, just about anything.

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> Maybe in California.  Texas doesn’t plan > on losing.

That’s nice.  If you go back to lynching a judge now & then, you just may inspire enough morale to win.

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>The Russians & Chinese…just signed an anti-U.S. pact and are getting >ready to embark upon joint military maneuvers. >*Keep* questioning the painful truths I’ve laid out before you. > Question: how will this affect the supply of tubes for my amp?

Damn, Mike. Now you have said something that I can relate to. <G> Ed Cregger

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: > … > There should initially be a great increase in & immense price reduction > of the finest ga-ga NOS, assuming they kill off all the guys who sit > home unproductively in California playing their guitars & amps first, > who piled these tubes up.  Then, as they see it cuts into sales of new > Chinese & Russian tubes, they’ll get confiscated or smashed, and the > best you’ll be able to get will be boring Russian 5881’s for $200 an > unmatched pair.  The rest depends on whether they supply power to your > compound…or whether the guards are guitar players who like amp > techs… > Maybe in California.  Texas doesn’t plan > on losing.  We have more guns per capita > than anyone, and more guns, total, than > California has, well, just about anything.

It’s gonna be really funny when you can’t buy ammo for those guns cause the Chinese bought all the ammo companies not to mention when they bought up all the gun companies and the machining companies and the steel companies. You think you gonna back talk when you’re working for them???? ha ha ha. You’re fired, man and don’t think bout gettin no union together neither. Just look at all the righties worshiping at the great WalMart of China. There ain’t no revolutionaries or minute men there at all. Just self centered gluttons. Consume consume consume. Long as there’s a paycheck and a double meat patty on the table, everything’s cool and you’re unamerican for suggesting otherwise. Guns, smuns. Guns don’t fight back. People do. do wah diddy.

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> The Ruskies and more so the Chinese need the US trade $ more than they > need a war right now. It is that USA that needs a new war to divert > attentions. Watch for "The Attack on Iran", coming soon on CNN. >("Nowhere to run, nowhere > to hide…") > JJ Cale, him never been to Deetroit. > :-> > Porky

For *now*, that is true.  But, as time goes by and the USA becomes more isolated, due to our unprovoked invasions of other countries, pretty soon….no one is going to want to do business with us.  The *rest* of the world will do quite nicely….especially without *us* to make all the rules, eh? I’ve also heard the rumblings about a secret air war about to begin, in Iran.  (a load of cruise missles, would be my guess) We’re about to become a whole lot *less* popular in the world….if that’s possible. Now then….does anyone remember my (and others) postings (from several months ago!) about a war with Iran, already scheduled to begin this summer??? This is a way scarier time than many of you realize. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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>It’s great for us.  We can scavenge tubes >from all the downed Sukhois, MiGs, and >whatever the Chinese fly!

        Inexact copies of said planes, mostly.         (LED irony meter) —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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> >The Russians & Chinese…just signed an anti-U.S. pact and are getting >ready to embark upon joint military maneuvers. > Why shouldn’t they?  The US is obviously a threat to their national > interests and energy strategies?  The US military budget is greater than > the all of the rest of the world’s countries COMBINED.  And the two > countries are also neighbors. > your name here!

now is that logical, or is that logical?

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John S. Shinal, tied to the tracks, said: >It’s great for us.  We can scavenge tubes >from all the downed Sukhois, MiGs, and >whatever the Chinese fly! >    Inexact copies of said planes, mostly.

I know.  I just couldn’t think of the names.  Shenyang, Chengdu. Nanchang… The planes themselves have names like "Peace Pearl", and the "East Wind" series (some of their early efforts). They’re allegedly working on their version of our F-22.

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lbrty4us, tied to the tracks, said: > Maybe in California.  Texas doesn’t plan > on losing. > That’s nice.  If you go back to lynching a judge now & then, you just > may inspire enough morale to win.

The judges we need to lynch generally have enough sense to stay out of Texas and avoid the lynching. 8^/

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> It’s gonna be really funny when you can’t buy ammo for those guns cause > the Chinese bought all the ammo companies

I see you have no shooting experience – we’ve been buying Chinese ammo for 20 years… > not to mention when they bought up all the gun companies and the > machining companies and the steel companies.

Such a deal I have for you:  all my shares in China Steel (if you can still find it on the pink sheets…).

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> > It’s gonna be really funny when you can’t buy ammo for those guns cause > the Chinese bought all the ammo companies > I see you have no shooting experience – we’ve been buying Chinese ammo > for 20 years…

not since I was a kid and shot with my dad at the National Guard range. He was captain of the state rifle team. That was at least 38 years ago. I could put one dead center but handling a gun has no appeal now – too many onery folks around I’d be tempted to use it on. He has tinnitus even though he wore ear protection. I, of course, rebelled. > not to mention when they bought up all the gun companies and the > machining companies and the steel companies. > Such a deal I have for you:  all my shares in China Steel (if you can > still find it on the pink sheets…).

thanks, but no. At least as we head back to the bronze age, I remember how to build a foundry and cast, also once built a glass oven and lehr. I’m tellin ya, the things they used to teach in school before it became too dangerous in the land of lawyers. You know, I actually am a great admirer of Chinese work ethics and determination. Perhaps very jealous would be a better choice of words than great admirer. In university we just hated all the orientals because they worked so hard, studied day and night and wrecked the grading curve. We were just a little bit lazy – grasshoppers surrounded by ants. Well, they’re still studying day and night and they ARE gonna beat us at our own capitalistic game cause we are just more than a little bit lazy, grasshoppers fiddling away while they work. You laugh at the pink sheets but they’ll get it down. I laughed when I saw the equipment they brought to their first shoe equipment show in Germany 17 years ago. Well, Europe ain’t laughing now. China watched, they listened and learned, they tried harder and they are burying every shoe manufacturer and shoe equipment manufacturer world wide. I have no doubt they’ll be able to do it to every industry eventually.

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> thanks, but no. At least as we head back to the bronze age, I remember > how to build a foundry and cast, also once built a glass oven and lehr. > I’m tellin ya, the things they used to teach in school before it became > too dangerous in the land of lawyers.

As late as the ’60’s some of us had to learn hands-on coal forging, sandcasting & machining to become engineers using the crude & traditional tools & ways so as to thoroughly understand them firsthand – and to keep making things until they couldn’t be dulled, broken or misfitted before being passed (or flunked).  Having your first little cold chisel shattered to pieces by a merciless instructor swinging a 20 lb hammer to it on a carburized plate – then being forced to study all the pieces under a microscope, then start over from scratch – teaches one a great deal about metalurgy. > You laugh > at the pink sheets but they’ll get it down.

No, I rue speculating on a near-term bright-looking major Chinese steel venture that went down the toilet.

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> No, I rue speculating on a near-term bright-looking major Chinese steel > venture that went down the toilet.

ouch…..it pays to speak the local language. You woulda known what they were saying behind your back .  Beware of pink sheets and hot currency tip faxes. I hope you’re not buying iraqi dinar??? Well there’s worse things – death for example.

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I have a device that processes audio, and has balanced audio input and output.  It supposed to accept +4dBu Line level, but it is right now calibrated to lower level.  I need to add up to 15-25dB attenuator to its input.  The input is balanced XLR, and somewhere on the PCB it is converted to unbalanced signal. The easiest thing would be to add is stereo audio potentiometer before the input balanced signal (to the XLR input). 1. Is adding audio potentiometer as attenuator the best solution? 2. If so, is adding stereo audio pot to the unbalance signal better     than modifying the PCB having the unbalanced signal?  (in terms of     not introducing distortion or noise) 3. which (professional) audio potentiometer would be recommended:     3.1 brand? (professional level, balanced stereo, low noise,         low distortion, durable, small about 0.5" diameter, etc.)     3.2 model number or technology / material description of the         component?     3.3 What value should I use? (I am guessing large impedance of 1M or         more is needed.  Should comply with Line signal specs.)     3.4 Log or linear pot?     3.5 reference to where to purchase such. … and Shine!

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> I have a device that processes audio, and has balanced audio input and > output.  It supposed to accept +4dBu Line level, but it is right now > calibrated to lower level.  I need to add up to 15-25dB attenuator to > its input.  The input is balanced XLR, and somewhere on the PCB it is > converted to unbalanced signal. > The easiest thing would be to add is stereo audio potentiometer before > the input balanced signal (to the XLR input). > 1. Is adding audio potentiometer as attenuator the best solution?

Possibly. A more likely approach would be to use a classic XLR mic attenuator. These work for line level signals as well. Here’s one that I’ve had good luck with – the Audio Technica AT8202: http://www.audiotechnica.com/guide/other/access/inline.html#AT8202

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The Rane website has instructions for how to build attenuators and terminating resistances.

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> The Rane website has instructions for how to build attenuators and

terminating resistances. < More here: www.ethanwiner.com/gadgets.html

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> The Rane website has instructions for how to build attenuators and > terminating resistances.

  I see there the transformer used to convert between unbalanced line to a balanced one.  But they don’t specify the transformer having +12dB. Can anyone help in that? Another issue, on the balanced side the XLR’s GND pin is connected to the chassis, but I don’t see any connection to the transformer’s winding middle wire.  Is there any missing additional connection to the chassis (between the chassis and the transformer)? So what makes the chassis the "zero" reference with respect to the two other pins of the XLR / transformer?

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> The Rane website has instructions for how to build attenuators and > terminating resistances. >   I see there the transformer used to convert between unbalanced line to > a balanced one.  But they don’t specify the transformer having +12dB. > Can anyone help in that? > Another issue, on the balanced side the XLR’s GND pin is connected to > the chassis, but I don’t see any connection to the transformer’s winding > middle wire.  Is there any missing additional connection to the chassis > (between the chassis and the transformer)? So what makes the chassis the > "zero" reference with respect to the two other pins of the XLR / > transformer?

With balanced lines, you don’t want or need a ground reference… that’s the beauty of them, and why they are used for very long (*very* long) runs.  Let the ground float. __ Steve .

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OK, thanks, So now the issue of the right transformer to be used.  I want to convert between -10 dBV unbalanced line level to +4dBu balanced line level. Most transformers I find at Mouser & Digikey are for 1:1 conversion, For example: Triad Magnetics TY-146P  553-TY146P (it has access to the middle of the coils, is that useful for anything?) I found such at Rane, does anyone know what such transformer is used for example at the following Rane? http://www.rane.com/bb22.html http://www.rane.com/pdf/bb22dat.pdf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>The Rane website has instructions for how to build attenuators and >>terminating resistances. >  I see there the transformer used to convert between unbalanced line to >a balanced one.  But they don’t specify the transformer having +12dB. >Can anyone help in that? >Another issue, on the balanced side the XLR’s GND pin is connected to >the chassis, but I don’t see any connection to the transformer’s winding >middle wire.  Is there any missing additional connection to the chassis >(between the chassis and the transformer)? So what makes the chassis the >"zero" reference with respect to the two other pins of the XLR / >transformer? > With balanced lines, you don’t want or need a ground reference… > that’s the beauty of them, and why they are used for very long > (*very* long) runs.  Let the ground float. > __ > Steve > .

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> OK, thanks, > So now the issue of the right transformer to be used.  I want to convert > between -10 dBV unbalanced line level to +4dBu balanced line level. > Most transformers I find at Mouser & Digikey are for 1:1 conversion, > For example: > Triad Magnetics TY-146P  553-TY146P > (it has access to the middle of the coils, is that useful for anything?)

It’s actually a physical impossibility to convert from a low-level high-impedance circuit to a high-level low-impedance circuit without doing some amplification.  Passive devices won’t do it. __ Steve .

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> OK, thanks, > So now the issue of the right transformer to be used.  I want to > convert between -10 dBV unbalanced line level to +4dBu balanced line > level. Most transformers I find at Mouser & Digikey are for 1:1 > conversion, For example: > Triad Magnetics TY-146P  553-TY146P > (it has access to the middle of the coils, is that useful for > anything?) > I found such at Rane, does anyone know what such transformer is used > for example at the following Rane? > http://www.rane.com/bb22.html > http://www.rane.com/pdf/bb22dat.pdf

Check out the Jensen transformer’s site. You want a transformer that provides about 11 dB voltage gain, which would come from an approximate 1:3 turns ratio. You want a line level transformer so that it won’t distort at higher levels and low frequencies. http://www.jensentransformers.com/datashts/123alcf3.pdf This is a very high quality part, and priced accordingly. You can pay less and you will probably get less. Audio transformers need to be of very high quality if minimal degradation of sound quality is desired. If you want something that isn’t a raw part, this product seems to be very appropriate: http://www.jensentransformers.com/datashts/dinpc.pdf Jensen is not a huge company and IME their staff is very customer-oriented. You might be able, with minimal effort, to coax them into building you one of these with a different transformer: http://www.jensentransformers.com/datashts/ci2rr.pdf

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>It’s actually a physical impossibility to convert from a low-level >high-impedance circuit to a high-level low-impedance circuit >without doing some amplification.  Passive devices won’t do it. >__ >Steve >.

11 db gain? where is the extra energy coming from if you do not use amplification. I agree. Even impedence matching introduces some LOSS. ,        _ ,       |                           MKA: Steve Urbach ,       |  )erek                      No JUNK in my email please ,  / / /         Running United Devices "Cure For Cancer" Project 24/7   Have you helped? http://www.grid.org

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> It’s actually a physical impossibility to convert from a low-level > high-impedance circuit to a high-level low-impedance circuit > without doing some amplification.  Passive devices won’t do it. > __ > Steve > . > 11 db gain? where is the extra energy coming from if you do not use > amplification.

Obviously with a transformer, the energy comes from nowhere. Instead, a transformer works when the source impedance is considerably lower than the load impedance. This is usually the case in audio.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> It’s actually a physical impossibility to convert from a low-level >> high-impedance circuit to a high-level low-impedance circuit >> without doing some amplification.  Passive devices won’t do it. >> __ >> Steve >> . > 11 db gain? where is the extra energy coming from if you do not use > amplification. > Obviously with a transformer, the energy comes from nowhere. > Instead, a transformer works when the source impedance is considerably lower > than the load impedance. This is usually the case in audio.

Here’s the original poster: <> > So now the issue of the right transformer to be used.  I want to convert > between -10 dBV unbalanced line level to +4dBu balanced line level.

</> I had misread the ‘dBu’ as ‘dBV’… you are correct, this should be possible, if the original poster actually did mean microvolts balanced. Seems a simple balun and an attenuator is in order… __ Steve . you misread it too, Tony?

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>I have a device that processes audio, and has balanced audio input and >output.  It supposed to accept +4dBu Line level, but it is right now >calibrated to lower level.  I need to add up to 15-25dB attenuator to >its input.  The input is balanced XLR, and somewhere on the PCB it is >converted to unbalanced signal.

Buy two Shure A15AS attenuators.  They’re switchable between -15, -20 and -25 dB.  Reliable.  Inexpensive. — Len Moskowitz             PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound                http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA   http://www.core-sound.com

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Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play only a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my guitar. Thanks Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

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Champ?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play only > a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

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Hi,     I build a small single ended EL34 head that I sell for right around $500.00. It puts out 11 clean watts, but can also deliver a real find over drive sound if desired. I use one all the time simply because I like the tone of the little amp. It is built very tough and designed to be played very hard. The transformers stay relatively cool since they are quite large for such an amp. These amps are all new, not something made out of used parts of a junk box. I just plain like working with tube amps and designed and built several of these because I was totally frustrated with the present batch of commercial offerings. You can check it out at my website is at: http://home.alltel.net/wbittle1   Bill Bittle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play only > a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

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Fender Pro Junior of Fender Blues Jr. Great amps!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Champ? >Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox >Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking >for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play > only >a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my guitar. >Thanks >Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

Just curious…why no Peavey?

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> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play only > a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

Build a Gilmore Jr.  Modify it for use with ECC99 as the power tube.  The mod couldn’t be easier.  Just wire the tube socket for a 12v tube instead of a 6v tube.  You’ll love it.  You can dime it and still have a conversation with someone, well, almost.  It depends on what speaker you use.  IMO, a great pick for what you describe. The ECC99 in place of the 6n1p tube gives the amp a lot of clean headroom and some nice OD when wide open. Regards, Phil

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> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play > only a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my > guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

MF has lowered the price on the Epiphone Galaxie 10 to $139 in the new sale flier. Their website states $149 which is still the cheapest tube amp around. Nice cleans. Harsh distortion IMO but I’ve heard with a tube change it sweetens up a bit.

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>Build a Gilmore Jr.

how?  The trannies specs are unknown. You must buy the kit.  Or do you something more? Which other simple single ended low wattage tube amp could you suggest to build?  Marco Baldovin www.whitewave.it

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The Gilmore Jr is a push-pull circuit, actually, but you might find the poweer level a bit limited. For something else, you might look here: https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/store/kitord_r.htm Scroll down to 5F1A kit.  That’s a Champ with 10" speaker for under $400 If you hope to build from piecemeal parts rather than a kit, don’t expect it to be cheaper unless you already have some parts on hand. Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Build a Gilmore Jr. > how?  The trannies specs are unknown. You must buy the kit.  Or do you > something more? > Which other simple single ended low wattage tube amp could you suggest > to build? >  Marco Baldovin > www.whitewave.it

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> Fender Pro Junior of Fender Blues Jr. Great amps!

Except that he said bedroom amp. A Champ would be a great choice. See ya, John

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> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play only > a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

Hi, Checked Songworks 3350LT? My boy got one used and it sounds dynamite. www.songworks.com. A cube weighing 10 pounds. You can even jam with it. Not 100% tube but worth trying. Tony

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> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.

If you have the Valvetronics, and like it, why not just dial the power down to the minimum (1/2 watt) for bedroom use and save yourself the money?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Champ? >>Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox >>Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not >>looking >>for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play > only >>a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my >>guitar. >>Thanks >>Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s). > Just curious…why no Peavey?

Because I’ve owned a couple and didn’t care for them.

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Hi Marco,

>Build a Gilmore Jr. > how?  The trannies specs are unknown. You must buy the kit.  Or do you > something more?

Yes, specs unknown,  you need to buy the kit!  Or you can probably get one already built for an additional cost.  It is a push-pull amp. > Which other simple single ended low wattage tube amp could you suggest > to build?

The obvious SE to me are Fender Champ, either 5F1 or AA764.  That new Gibson GA5 is a real nice SE for a store bought thing and not a terrible price at about $500. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >  Marco Baldovin > www.whitewave.it

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> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well. > If you have the Valvetronics, and like it, why not just dial the power > down to the minimum (1/2 watt) for bedroom use and save yourself the > money?

I do like the Valvetronics and it is good at what it does, maybe the best. However, regardless of how close they get, these modeling amp’s still do not have the warmth, feel and response of a good tube amp.  I don’t need allot of power but I’m looking to get a good clean and distorted sound for the home, which is the only place I play. Thanks

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… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox >>>Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not >>>looking >>>for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play >> only >>>a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my >>>guitar. >>>Thanks >>>Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s). > Just curious…why no Peavey? > Because I’ve owned a couple and didn’t care for them.

Have you tried one of the Classic series?  If your experience is with a TNT, or Musician series, I can understand… I can highly recommend a Classic 20 as a bedroom amp… it is a Peavey, and out of production, but a used example would go for about $250… here’s a few on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38076&item=730… Weber speaker! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38076&item=730… Notice ‘no local pickup’ and $30 shipping. Really, this amp has enough guts for live gigging, with a professional PA (good monitors).  Big attraction is good grind at low levels… headphone jack, too. __ Steve .

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox >> Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well. > If you have the Valvetronics, and like it, why not just dial the power > down to the minimum (1/2 watt) for bedroom use and save yourself the > money? > I do like the Valvetronics and it is good at what it does, maybe the best. > However, regardless of how close they get, these modeling amp’s still do not > have the warmth, feel and response of a good tube amp.  I don’t need allot > of power but I’m looking to get a good clean and distorted sound for the > home, which is the only place I play. > Thanks

Clean: Gilmore Jr. with ECC99 power tube.  Unlimited clean from about 1-9. Dirty: Glimore Jr. with ECC99 power tube and a pedal. You can’t beat it.  Low volume, good tone.  You’ll get a good range of response with the pedal. Jack, I only play at home, too, and this is to one for when the family is at home. For when I’m alone, I just built a 5e3.  It rattles the windows in my study. Ooohhh yeah! Regards, Phil

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   You might check out an Electar Tube 10. Its a small all tube combo. It comes with a pre-amp out plug (you can run this thing through a bigger, more powerful amp-even a solid state one), and a 4 ohm exstension speaker plug.Single channel and no reverb. I liked mine enough to have taken it to an upholsery shop and had a cover made for it.     They sell new only from www.musicyo.com. They are waiting for more right now. You can almost always find one or two on ebay. Check the reviews at www.harmony-central.com.     I got mine brand new, but it was a dent and scratch one for about $65.00 plus freight.These amps are somehow tied up with Gibson-Epiphone. I think they have better features than the Galaxie amps. Many have driven a two-ten, or two twelve cabinet with them, and they really put out some sound.     There is also that little Les Paul tube amp (I think thats what its called), but it sells for almost $500.00.     Good luck with your choice, Jon Neet

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox >Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking >for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play >only a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my >guitar. >Thanks >Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s). > MF has lowered the price on the Epiphone Galaxie 10 to $139 in the new sale > flier. Their website states $149 which is still the cheapest tube amp > around. Nice cleans. Harsh distortion IMO but I’ve heard with a tube change > it sweetens up a bit.

I tested one of these out at the local GC. If I were specifically shopping for a -practice- amp, it would be hard to not buy one of these.  You might find something better for twice the money or more, but come on.  A PRACTICE amp.  Pony up $140 and rock out without bothering the neighbors.

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here’s a pic of my bedroom amp http://www.citlink.net/~edmnels/bedroomamp.jpg to get over everything else going on in there.  Sounds excellent with my strat.  The amp only weighs 30lbs….just a little more for the speaker cabs. ERic

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play > only a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my > guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

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Oh ya, almost forgot my other bedroom amp http://www.citlink.net/~edmnels/bedroomamp2.jpg Sometimes I play them in stereo during wild parties when the trouser snake is getting ready for a 2nd or 3rd go-round. ERic

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play > only a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my > guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

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> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well.  Not looking > for a lead map, I play rhythm with a few small rifts thrown and I play only > a Tele Deluxe and am looking for something that works well with my guitar. > Thanks > Oh, yeah.  And would like to stay below $500 (No Peavey’s).

Fender Blues Jr. Chris

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> > Fender Pro Junior of Fender Blues Jr. Great amps! > Except that he said bedroom amp. A Champ would be a great choice. > See ya, > John

John They don’t make tube Champs anymore. Chris

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> > Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well. > If you have the Valvetronics, and like it, why not just dial the power > down to the minimum (1/2 watt) for bedroom use and save yourself the > money?

Or you could do what we used to do in the olden days and turn the knob marked "volume" down. Chris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> Looking for a good small tube amp for home use only.  I have a Vox > >> Valvetronix’s, but I’d like to have a small tube amp as well. > > If you have the Valvetronics, and like it, why not just dial the power > > down to the minimum (1/2 watt) for bedroom use and save yourself the > > money? > I do like the Valvetronics and it is good at what it does, maybe the best. > However, regardless of how close they get, these modeling amp’s still do > not > have the warmth, feel and response of a good tube amp.  I don’t need allot > of power but I’m looking to get a good clean and distorted sound for the > home, which is the only place I play. > Thanks > Clean: Gilmore Jr. with ECC99 power tube.  Unlimited clean from about 1-9. > Dirty: Glimore Jr. with ECC99 power tube and a pedal. > You can’t beat it.  Low volume, good tone.  You’ll get a good range of > response with the pedal. > Jack, I only play at home, too, and this is to one for when the family is at > home. > For when I’m alone, I just built a 5e3.  It rattles the windows in my study. > Ooohhh yeah! > Regards, > Phil

Phil Not everyone knows how to build an amp you know? To me that kind of recommendation is like if someone asked me what kind of car to get and you replied "build your own!" Chris

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